Next PtokaX version will have new settings manager, and with this come major change in gui where settings will have own window. How design of this new window looks now is on pictures below.
Now it is only static design and is easy to change things in it. I am sure that is not perfect and i want from you, from PtokaX users comments, ideas and suggestions for this new settings window.
http://www.PtokaX.org/files/images/1%20-%20General.png
http://www.PtokaX.org/files/images/2%20-%20MOTD.png
http://www.PtokaX.org/files/images/3%20-%20Bots.png
http://www.PtokaX.org/files/images/4%20-%20More general.png
http://www.PtokaX.org/files/images/6%20-%20Ban message.png
http://www.PtokaX.org/files/images/7%20-%20Advanced.png
http://www.PtokaX.org/files/images/8%20-%20MyINFO Processing.png
http://www.PtokaX.org/files/images/9%20-%20More advanced.png
http://www.PtokaX.org/files/images/10%20-%20Rules.png
http://www.PtokaX.org/files/images/11%20-%20More rules.png
http://www.PtokaX.org/files/images/12%20-%20Deflood.png
http://www.PtokaX.org/files/images/13%20-%20More Deflood.png
Looks really cool.
I think adding Profile manager under Advanced would be a good idea.
And keep the layout of it as it is.
Uhm... where is the script editor? :)
Hey Looks gr8 PPK
Quote from: bastya_elvtars on 01 July, 2007, 11:10:05
where is the script editor? :)
On same place as before...
Looks great so far :D
Nice work PPK
Nice work PPK :o :o
Good work PPK :D
Great work, I definitely like the direction these screens show. Exciting changes on the horizon for PtokaX.
I have a few (or more than a few) ideas, some hopefully are good, some may be bad. Of course, better to say them now than be sorry when everything is in place. Some of this is of the same spirit to clean things up and possibly increase usability, user friendliness, and functionality, even if it deviates a little from the topic.
A general note and a large part of my ideas: I think it'd be better to make some branches more specific, leaving space for later additions, rather than squeeze a lot into each. (This also benefits new users by making things easier to find)
So from the top working downwards.
1. Is the MotD branch necessary, really? I've wondered before about why the MotD is still in the GUI (maybe MotD path, Send as private, Disable) since it's just another text file. (While I'm at it.. why keep it in \cfg and not \texts?) Maybe something like a file manager would be good to have separate from settings for things such as texts, config, and at a stretch (they do fall under the file catagory..) scripts...
Some things which would be included in the proposed File Manager would be:
For Texts:
For text files: Enable, open texts folder, reload text files, send as private.
For MotD file: Enable, Select Path box, open file (with associated program), reload button, send as private.
For Configuration:
Open cfg folder, save settings, reload ClientTags.xml (if/when possible), and possibly backup options.
For Scripts:
(No Script editor) Open scripts folder, restart scripts, memory usage per script.
Then a list with scripts just like current PX (with up/down stacking buttons at top and a on/off box for each), but with a new context menu per script:
Open script(with associated program or open with...), restart script, check syntax.
2. Make General-->Redirect settings then add Hubowner e-mail to the space leftover in the General #2 ("More General") branch.
3. Even though there's a limit to how many prefixes you can put in the box saying "Limit 5" next to it would be informative. (might be good for other strings, such as the ones with 64 char limits, for the sake of explicitness)
4. Minor note, MyINFO processing might deserve its own branch, if only due to its importance. (not really much of a reason)
5. Rules looks fine if only a bit crowded (Maybe description/tag checking separate) Adding more branches if/when other options come along later would work fine here.
6. With deflood just switch the MyINFOs from the first branch with Max PMs to user per minute (Chat and PM in one branch, MyINFO and protocol commands along with the misc deflood.
Hope this input helps. I know some of MotD/File manager suggestions require changes that aren't exclusive to the GUI/Settings manager, but hopefully they make sense :P
Keep up the good work.
Thx for ideas. Pictures updated. I am looking for better names for settings pages ::) And question is, merge or not merge Another general with More general ???
You should merge the two general pages IMO. As for names, I'm going to think, I promise. ;)
Where is the admin chat?
Looks much better!
Picture for More General updated, it was merged with Another general from previous design.
Quote from: fanem008 on 02 July, 2007, 13:07:23
Where is the admin chat?
On same place as before...
Instead of "General" you also can say "Main" or for "More General" you can say "General" !!
OK, nice work again.
When will be relisead?
Quote from: fanem008 on 03 July, 2007, 12:38:38
OK, nice work again.
When will be relisead?
Probably when its finished ;D
Ok ;)
Will this new GUI be compatible with Windows themes?
Quote from: bastya_elvtars on 03 July, 2007, 20:11:12
Will this new GUI be compatible with Windows themes?
And the point of that is ??
Sorry but i saw i hubsoft the other day with GUI colour options in the settings and i
still fail to understand why ...
To me that would be like adding somethin that can be scripting and would waste resources
Quote from: Tw?sT?d-d?v?l on 03 July, 2007, 23:32:33
And the point of that is ??
Just asking, the old one does not like them much. I am not a GUI-fan at all (would be funny from a guy who administers console *NIX-systems).
Didnt mean to sound rude when i said that m8 (been long day)
Can i ask where the start hub button is ?
Accept = save
Discard = dont save
Quote from: bastya_elvtars on 03 July, 2007, 20:11:12
Will this new GUI be compatible with Windows themes?
Yes, this new settings window is compatible. Screenshot are from XP with Sustenance Visual Style for Windows XP by KoL (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/13471550/).
Quote from: Tw?sT?d-d?v?l on 03 July, 2007, 23:46:10
Can i ask where the start hub button is ?
On same place as before...
Quote from: PPK on 04 July, 2007, 04:58:20
Yes, this new settings window is compatible. Screenshot are from XP with Sustenance Visual Style for Windows XP by KoL (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/13471550/).
Hehe, that's why I asked, the widget styles looked way familiar (my sister's computer has this theme too).
Hello it?s me again.
Windows are nice and are better looking to; I say so for so good!!
Keep it up the nice work PPK looking forward to using it.
Put my lua Crew online into it <<< just kidding m8. ;D
Respectfully,
[NL]Daddy-Bear?
Here's my suggestion for names/pages setup
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General Settings
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| MOTD
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| Default Bots
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| Redirections ( move User limits to "Connection Rules" and Text files to "Advanced Security" )
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| Ban Handling
Advanced Settings
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| MyINFO processing ( / $IN processing )
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| Advanced Security ( move Description Tag to "MyINFO processing" )
Connection Rules ( try and see if both pages can be merged to one as they have the same topic )
General Deflood
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| Limits
( try and see if 1 deflood page can hold mainchat/priv chat/login/connection limits while other page holds action settings )
Hope it's helpful and goodluck 8) ;D
I guess its very fashion to create skins for everything, M$ made one with vista for example, next step will be addition of emoticones and widgets???
This topic is boring as hell, ptokax doesn't need a change of appearance, we need new stuff...
PS: Work on the transparency of the windows too, it's realy important for everybody, vital in fact.
Dude, if you think this topic is boring, don't talk in it
Quote from: Stormbringer on 09 July, 2007, 10:24:00
ptokax doesn't need a change of appearance
Ok, i will make special version for you without changed apperance... i am sure that you don't complain about not working settings in old gui ;D
Settings and gui are 2 different things :o , basicly we doesn't need a gui, the scripts are working perfectly without, why not ptokax ::)
If you want I can create you a todo list with useful things, and this things are not only useful for me but for everybody but you seems to ignore them ???
Quote from: Stormbringer on 09 July, 2007, 18:06:45
basicly we doesn't need a gui
You don't need, but most users need it.
I wouldn't mind having a look at that list, Stormbringer...
-Snooze
Quote from: CrazyGuy on 09 July, 2007, 03:24:20
Redirections ( move User limits to "Connection Rules" and Text files to "Advanced Security" )
Text files have nothing to do with security.
Quote from: CrazyGuy on 09 July, 2007, 03:24:20
try and see if both pages can be merged
They can't be merged :(
Quote from: CrazyGuy on 09 July, 2007, 03:24:20
try and see if 1 deflood page can hold mainchat/priv chat/login/connection limits while other page holds action settings
I like more have them together, instead of split them to two pages.
Stormbringer, please cut off on your trollism.
Snooze: nothing to do with a comment of a guy who make compilation of bot.
Bastya: not a troll, just a disapointed guy, no evolution in ptokax since so many releses now, the only good stuff who was done recently was the language pack except this nothing's new, people shut up there but many hub owners think exactly the same thing, but nobody complain because each time somebody open his mouth here all the ''team'' kill him
Just a little bit more and this forum will looks like the forum of strongdc++
Quote from: Stormbringer on 10 July, 2007, 00:05:52
Snooze: nothing to do with a comment of a guy who make compilation of bot.
You mean a compiled bot? :)
Well this means that PPK and Ptaczek couldn't be respected enough to make a comment - as PtokaX is compiled. (so no comment for this one...)
As far as Snooze shares a bot for free, even if compiled, that's positive, he provides addons to PtokaX that some people can actually use. Have you provided anything yet?
Quote from: Stormbringer on 10 July, 2007, 00:05:52
Bastya: not a troll, just a disapointed guy, no evolution in ptokax since so many releses now, the only good stuff who was done recently was the language pack except this nothing's new, people shut up there but many hub owners think exactly the same thing, but nobody complain because each time somebody open his mouth here all the ''team'' kill him
Just a little bit more and this forum will looks like the forum of strongdc++
You seem to haven't found the changelog :) There's much (much) more in it.
That's enough of reality, the new settings stuff's liked by most people, what more's needed?
Only counts what PPK wants anyway ;D
nice work
my opinion,it is a windows project
so the windows users like to be very easy too use
like the most messengers ,on principle NEXT --> NEXT --> FINISH ;D
ptokax after hard work of administrator on this project it grow very match
it realy easy to use whit a lot a function to protect your hub,bilt in functions
whitout any aditional script,ho in most of all cases need extra setting to work well
and not to forget people ho want to make script for own purpose or not,have
a lot of function to use to reach thei goal whit a lot of support from project administrators
my opinion on new appearance compattible whit windows themes,it dont matter for my at all,becaus on my server
thei are stoped and my xp look like windows 98 8)
last thing a CLI version of ptoka some time will appear ?
Quote from: Stormbringer on 10 July, 2007, 00:05:52
Snooze: nothing to do with a comment of a guy who make compilation of bot.
Bastya: not a troll, just a disapointed guy, no evolution in ptokax since so many releses now, the only good stuff who was done recently was the language pack except this nothing's new, people shut up there but many hub owners think exactly the same thing, but nobody complain because each time somebody open his mouth here all the ''team'' kill him
Just a little bit more and this forum will looks like the forum of strongdc++
There are many things behind the scenes. First of all, PPK worked a lot on optimizing but not adding new features. Maybe you should propose some of your list, it will not be ignored. I never saw anyone being killed for complaining. However, I miss some featuresn from PtokaX too (Lua io.popen(), full traceback support, etc.) but do not behave like a troll. If you find a bug, report it. If you have a problem, ask. If you want a feature, propose it. The forum is designed to help you with this. Be constructive, and try to avoid personal criticism, compilation is an own choice after all, although I disagree with it too, since there are licenses that force you to mark modificatons (CDDL for example), but I do not criticise them as long as maintenance goes. If maintenance cannot be continued, the source should be opened.
Bah, this is quite offtopic. This topic is in need of a split.
Quote from: Stormbringer on 10 July, 2007, 00:05:52
no evolution in ptokax since so many releses now
0.3.4.0 - New banlist
0.3.5.0 - Data compression
0.3.6.0 - Language translations
0.3.7.0 - New setting manager, that will allow most settings changeable without hub restart and in future version without gui running as service.
For you it is maybe no evolution, but in PtokaX source it looks different.
Quote from: PPK on 09 July, 2007, 18:52:34
Text files have nothing to do with security.
I know, but it fitted there :P
Quote from: PPK on 09 July, 2007, 18:52:34
They can't be merged :(
That's too bad :(
Quote from: PPK on 09 July, 2007, 18:52:34
I like more have them together, instead of split them to two pages.
I would prefer them being together as well, but as that didn't seem to fit, it might mean you'll have to increase GUI size.
IF that's so, then maybe the other page can be merged as well ;)
Quote from: CrazyGuy on 10 July, 2007, 11:30:35
it might mean you'll have to increase GUI size.
I don't want to increase it, it is designed for 640x480 resolution. I know many will think that nobody use it, but i have before when i increase gui size many complains about it :(
Nice ptokax PPK!!!
hello PPK and have this new ptokax 0.3.7.0 this lua bots --> badfilechecker and anticlone in one ptokax bots?
it's is a idea :-)
Greetz [NL]Scooby?
I think im the only one who likes this idea but i give it a go.
Maybe adding by each profile his own settings of max hubs max share min share max slots etc.
Looks good PPK :)
The only thing missing which i could see has already been mentioned (Profile Manager).
Very unusually and inconveniently. >:(
The direct access to settings was more convenient. ::)
Besides settings in a separate window - too it is inconvenient. :-\
1) It is awful! Not only that it is necessary to get used and accustom to the new interface of adjustments so also the heap of bugs and glitches will be after capital change of the interface anew.
2) how to close these windows a mousy?
Quote from: nikita800 on 04 August, 2007, 17:07:15
2) how to close these windows a mousy?
If you mean the new settings window, simply press, save or discard
Good Job PPk...
Maybe u can add optional welcome message for hublist pingers...
Options: Changable Message - Main/PM (Where it can send) - on/off
Thx
Quote from: Stormbringer on 09 July, 2007, 18:06:45
Settings and gui are 2 different things :o , basicly we doesn't need a gui, the scripts are working perfectly without, why not ptokax ::)
If you want I can create you a todo list with useful things, and this things are not only useful for me but for everybody but you seems to ignore them ???
the new gui is awkward compared to simple tabs..
make improvements to the program and if needed add a tab for another subject.
when opening any subject, you must close it in the new gui... with the old one you can click to minimize to tray and go on when it returns the chat window or whatever will be right there..
just my opinion... ya put a great deal of work into it but to me its just plum awkward, and somewhat hard to follow
MooSe
the complainer lol
I thought the same at first ... But has in all new things it just takes a bit of getting used to ...