PtokaX vs YnHub

[blackwings]

Originally posted by bastya_elvtars
or something similar, i cannot recall PPK's URL on that changelog.

EDIT: sorry :P but someone did that in the Latest development news in the news section.

EDIT 2: PPK posted it to be more exact

EDIT 3: at page 15.

[OpticaL]

if i were you i shouldn't give out that txt

[plop]

i would like a public released beta just as much as you, but i also can understand pta's and ppk's view.
you would like 2 have it so you can start working on it, well i can but hardly any1 can use the things i make.
most the folks who have it have there own scripts.
so for me it's only the fun of trying out new things and getting headaches.
let me give you an example from myself.
i'm currently testing/building deflood 5.0 with a small group of testers.
it's going great but it's really anoying if i get a bug report on a old version which allready has been fixed.
i do need 2 answer that, but doing so this means i'm waisting time.
now imagine that deflood 4.x is running @ about 500-1000 (hard 2 guess) hub's and all those folks would try out version 5.
i could end up with a mailbox full of bug reports which would take me day's 2 answer.
therefor having a small group of testers willing 2 crash/trash there hub is actualy making it able 2 develop things faster.
the moment things are proven 2 be working stable there will be a public release.
as real life testing is always needed, but this moment were not yet so far.
the best option in my eyes is a bit bigger group of testers, for example all the lua scripters/debuggers from my hub (those proved 2 be faithfull 2 ptokax).
beside all this, 75% or more of the scripting i do for ptokax is still lua 4.
and yes i jumped a hole in the sky of 28 meters wide and 27636 meters high the moment i found the 1st update from ppk in my mailbox.

about the new dataarrivals.
bast is correct and you can allready use that on the old ptokax.
just send them all 2 the old dataarrival and use wombats 524 script 2 change the lua 5 code into lua 4.

ChatArrival = DataArrival
ToArrival = DataArrival
etc..

this is not the fastest way 2 make a script work, but it works, remove the 524 script and it would work fine on ptokax with lua 5.
the rest can be found here

plop

[Ryan-]

Originally posted by plop
you guy's should check before posting these things.
nearly all features which reduce bandwidth usage on the hub's are comming from verlihub.
just as verlihub has no guy and you ppl don't take a peek in the mysql database you won't find these bandwidth saver from verlihub.
verlihub hub still has the record for amount of users in a single hub, namely 12.000.
this is something no other hubsoft can reach.

That is simply not true. YnHub reached 10K+ just the other day, and will most likely surpass the Verlihub record of 12K within a month or two. Mbit for Mbit YnHub beats Verlihub, due to some built-in (and optional) bandwidth savers. CPU and mem is not an issue either, although it has to be said Verlihub _is_ in it's own leage here. YnHub is good enough to reach 4000 users on a PII400 with 256MB of SDR before the CPU is maxed out, if configured properly.

That said - the new PtokaX will (from what I've heard from trustworthy sources) be something out of the ordinary. YnHub better watch out, PtokaX is coming.

Glad to see tha arrival of DCH++, but it does not seem to be able to compete with any of the "top 3", Verli, Pto or YnHub. When we tested DCH++ we never managed to surpass even 1700 users on a connection that just hours before had 3500 users on a YnHub. It simply disconnected the whole hub over and over again when pushed to the limit.

Anyhow, I digress. My point was - Verli sure as hell can be beaten, and it soon will be.

- Ryan

[bastya_elvtars]

OK, but see how many feature requests there are for PtokaX and how many for YnHub. PtokaX is not loved for being able to hold the whole globe but for high customizability.

[plop]

Originally posted by bastya_elvtars
OK, but see how many feature requests there are for PtokaX and how many for YnHub. PtokaX is not loved for being able to hold the whole globe but for high customizability.

all y(n)hub's are faceless and boring, ptokax on the other hand can be given it's own look and feel thx 2 the lua api.
it's like compairing a trabant with a custom made rolls royce (verli is like a custom made truck).

plop

[bastya_elvtars]

hey!

please do not do your sick jokes on trabants they all rock!

[OpticaL]

Ryan have you heard the word clones before?

[PPK]

Originally posted by Ryan-
My point was - Verli sure as hell can be beaten, and it soon will be.

Verlihub running on Linux, BSD, MacOsX.
Verlihub supports plug-ins and more scripting languages.
Verlihub is fast ... 5000 users on P3 450 MHz with 128 MB ram.

Sorry but actually is here nothing able to beat verlihub

Btw if you point is beat only with max users, is easy to make "verlihub lite" without all slowing things (plug-ins, scripting, mysql) and nothing on Windows beat it :]

[TecMaster]

No software is perfect even if it runs on linux  :P
Verlihub is no exception ...  even software on windows can beet it, you just have to find someone how can do it  :D

[plop]

Originally posted by TecMaster
No software is perfect even if it runs on linux  :P
Verlihub is no exception ...  even software on windows can beet it, you just have to find someone how can do it  :D

the problem isn't the hubsoft it's windows itself.
i installed kde-lite for fun on a p2 266 with 128MB mem matrox G200 running freebsd, it beated the crap out of my p4 1600@2138 with 512MB matrox G550 running windows 2k pro.
having the same amount of firefox browsers open and moving them around.
you would need a winlite and i doubt M$ could ever make 1.
another example.
the 1st version of the CMS for my website (lua script) took about 12 seconds 2 run on my p4 over the command line.
same script execute on apache running on windows took 4 seconds, this on a p3 733 with 512MB.
now i'm executing it on the p2 266 in a mere 1 second running freebsd with the lua command line.

plop

[TecMaster]

Thats wasnt realy my point but your right.

[Jaakko]

So how about it now when PtokaX 0.3.3.0 17.04 has been released? Can it beat yn-hub? (users, users and more users)

[6Marilyn6Manson6]

Originally posted by Jaakko
So how about it now when PtokaX 0.3.3.0 17.04 has been released? Can it beat yn-hub? (users, users and more users)

My server 2.4ghz 10mbit in upload and 1gb of ram... with ynhub i have 4041 user and no lag.. with ptokax.... 3400-3500 :)

[PPK]

Originally posted by 6Marilyn6Manson6
My server 2.4ghz 10mbit in upload and 1gb of ram... with ynhub i have 4041 user and no lag.. with ptokax.... 3400-3500

Anything more than 3000 on 10 mbit without lag looks imposible for me, but i don't have server to test it
Btw any more stats like cpu and mem usage  ?(

[-SkA-]

------------------------------------------------------------
Current stats:
------------------------------------------------------------
Version: PtokaX DC Hub 0.3.3.1 [debug] built on Jun 10 2005 01:35:21
Uptime: 0 days, 10 hours, 50 minutes
Users (Max/Actual Peak (Max Peak)/Logged) : 3500 / 3035 (3257) / 3027
Chat messages: 1508 x
Unknown commands: 1 x
PM commands: 2544 x
Key commands: 54348 x
Supports commands: 51839 x
MyINFO commands: 126214 x
ValidateNick commands: 46877 x
GetINFO commands: 2487 x
Password commands: 310 x
Version commands: 33029 x
UserIP commands: 632148 x
GetNickList commands: 37226 x
Search commands: 242223 x
SR commands: 4364727 x
CTM commands: 2314817 x
RevCTM commands: 1283369 x
BotINFO commands: 3 x
------------------------------------------------------------
CPU usage (60 sec avg): 13.52%
CPU time: 3:45:14
Mem usage (Old style): 4396 kB
Mem usage (Peak): 78.24 MB (144.13 MB)
VM size (Peak): 80.42 MB (145.86 MB)
------------------------------------------------------------
SendRests (Peak): 0 (0)
RecvRests (Peak): 3 (15)
Data sent: 37.14 GB
Data received: 916.65 MB
Tx (60 sec avg): 1.73 MB/s (1.48 MB/s)
Rx (60 sec avg): 239.78 kB/s (59.54 kB/s)

and no lag  :P

[plop]

Originally posted by -SkA-
------------------------------------------------------------
Current stats:
------------------------------------------------------------
Version: PtokaX DC Hub 0.3.3.1 [debug] built on Jun 10 2005 01:35:21
Uptime: 0 days, 10 hours, 50 minutes
Users (Max/Actual Peak (Max Peak)/Logged) : 3500 / 3035 (3257) / 3027
Chat messages: 1508 x
Unknown commands: 1 x
PM commands: 2544 x
Key commands: 54348 x
Supports commands: 51839 x
MyINFO commands: 126214 x
ValidateNick commands: 46877 x
GetINFO commands: 2487 x
Password commands: 310 x
Version commands: 33029 x
UserIP commands: 632148 x
GetNickList commands: 37226 x
Search commands: 242223 x
SR commands: 4364727 x
CTM commands: 2314817 x
RevCTM commands: 1283369 x
BotINFO commands: 3 x
------------------------------------------------------------
CPU usage (60 sec avg): 13.52%
CPU time: 3:45:14
Mem usage (Old style): 4396 kB
Mem usage (Peak): 78.24 MB (144.13 MB)
VM size (Peak): 80.42 MB (145.86 MB)
------------------------------------------------------------
SendRests (Peak): 0 (0)
RecvRests (Peak): 3 (15)
Data sent: 37.14 GB
Data received: 916.65 MB
Tx (60 sec avg): 1.73 MB/s (1.48 MB/s)
Rx (60 sec avg): 239.78 kB/s (59.54 kB/s)

and no lag  :P

what are server/connection specs?

plop

[-SkA-]

AMD 2400+ 512 MB RAM 100 MBIT connection (not dedicated but shared)

[6Marilyn6Manson6]

Hub Information
*************
 Hub name is: ITA?-?iChNuS@?-?iChNuS@nEt
 Sharelimit: 5.00 GiB (max: 2.00 TiB)
 Hubs: 16
 Slots (min/max): 2 / 30
 Slotratio: disabled
 Accounts: 247
 Nick bans: 123
 IP bans: 690
 DNS bans: 0
 Client bans: 4

Core Information
**************
 Version: 1.031
 Uptime: 1:01:57:04
 Workpace: Lazy
 Port(s): 411
 Current sharesize: 181.65 TiB
 Users (current/peak/record): 4903 / 4990 / 7629
 Users authorizing: 14
 Userlimit: 5000
 Login timeouts: 1570
 Idle timeouts: 2596
 Too slow drops: 95
 Spam kicks: 0

System Information
****************
 CPU time: 08:13:25
 CPU usage: 45.65% (During last 30s period)
 Memory available: 155.11 MiB
 Memory usage: 124.32 MiB (155.54 MiB)
 VM usage: 145.10 MiB (184.29 MiB)
 Paged pool: 1.49 MiB (1.53 MiB)
 Non-paged pool: 22.83 MiB (34.24 MiB)

Core statistics
*************
 Nick entries: 22707 (Userstats)
 IP entries 29479 (Userstats)
 Socket errors: 22596
 Errors: 0

it is AMD 2400+ 1024 MB RAM 100 MBIT connection

[6Marilyn6Manson6]

and this is my hub

Hub Information
*************
 Hub name is: ITA?-?Planetarium?Hub?-?iChNuS@nEt?-
 Sharelimit: 10.00 GiB (max: 5.00 TiB)
 Hubs: 39
 Slots (min/max): 1 / 39
 Slotratio: disabled
 Accounts: 213
 Nick bans: 156
 IP bans: 1
 DNS bans: 0
 Client bans: 13

Core Information
**************
 Version: 1.02
 Uptime: 28:12:02:15
 Workpace: Sleeping
 Port(s): 411
 Current sharesize: 69.59 TiB
 Users (current/peak/record): 1598 / 1601 / 4043
 Users authorizing: 3
 Userlimit: 1600
 Login timeouts: 55
 Idle timeouts: 366
 Too slow drops: 1
 Spam kicks: 0

System Information
****************
 CPU time: 00:05:03
 CPU usage: 8.85% (During last 30s period)
 Memory available: 750.87 MiB
 Memory usage: 39.00 MiB (39.03 MiB)
 VM usage: 48.42 MiB (48.49 MiB)
 Paged pool: 413.80 KiB (414.98 KiB)
 Non-paged pool: 20.72 MiB (21.09 MiB)

Core statistics
*************
 Nick entries: 4781 (Userstats)
 IP entries 5395 (Userstats)
 Socket errors: 3620
 Errors: 0

it is AMD 2400+ 1024 MB RAM 10 MBIT connection

[-SkA-]

Originally posted by 6Marilyn6Manson6

Hub Information
*************
 Hub name is: ITA?-?iChNuS@?-?iChNuS@nEt
 Sharelimit: 5.00 GiB (max: 2.00 TiB)
 Hubs: 16
 Slots (min/max): 2 / 30
 Slotratio: disabled
 Accounts: 247
 Nick bans: 123
 IP bans: 690
 DNS bans: 0
 Client bans: 4

Core Information
**************
 Version: 1.031
 Uptime: 1:01:57:04
 Workpace: Lazy
 Port(s): 411
 Current sharesize: 181.65 TiB
 Users (current/peak/record): 4903 / 4990 / 7629
 Users authorizing: 14
 Userlimit: 5000
 Login timeouts: 1570
 Idle timeouts: 2596
 Too slow drops: 95
 Spam kicks: 0

System Information
****************
 CPU time: 08:13:25
 CPU usage: 45.65% (During last 30s period)
 Memory available: 155.11 MiB
 Memory usage: 124.32 MiB (155.54 MiB)
 VM usage: 145.10 MiB (184.29 MiB)
 Paged pool: 1.49 MiB (1.53 MiB)
 Non-paged pool: 22.83 MiB (34.24 MiB)

Core statistics
*************
 Nick entries: 22707 (Userstats)
 IP entries 29479 (Userstats)
 Socket errors: 22596
 Errors: 0

it is AMD 2400+ 1024 MB RAM 100 MBIT connection

1 GB and only 155 mb free??? wow...

[PPK]

Duron 700 MHz, 256 MB ram, 10 mbps connection, Windows 2003

------------------------------------------------------------
Current stats:
------------------------------------------------------------
Version: PtokaX DC Hub 0.3.3.1j [debug] built on Jul 30 2005 18:54:49
Uptime: 0 days, 1 hours, 4 minutes
Users (Max/Actual Peak (Max Peak)/Logged) : 2500 / 2230 (2230) / 2203
Chat messages: 137 x
Unknown commands: 0 x
PM commands: 82 x
Key commands: 122518 x
Supports commands: 119964 x
MyINFO commands: 125741 x
ValidateNick commands: 120544 x
GetINFO commands: 6062 x
Password commands: 64 x
Version commands: 117969 x
UserIP commands: 43352 x
GetNickList commands: 118031 x
Search commands: 17596 x
SR commands: 182946 x
CTM commands: 62048 x
RevCTM commands: 43798 x
BotINFO commands: 0 x
------------------------------------------------------------
CPU usage (60 sec avg): 27.00%
CPU time: 0:15:18
Mem usage (Old style): 3786 kB
Mem usage (Peak): 22.59 MB (27.58 MB)
VM size (Peak): 22.85 MB (28.37 MB)
------------------------------------------------------------
SendRests (Peak): 31 (58)
RecvRests (Peak): 0 (11)
Data sent: 1.47 GB
Data received: 65.83 MB
Tx (60 sec avg): 445.34 kB/s (575.51 kB/s)
Rx (60 sec avg): 4.80 kB/s (12.56 kB/s)

[PPK]

Duron 700 MHz, 256 MB ram, 10 mbps connection, Windows 2003

------------------------------------------------------------
Current stats:
------------------------------------------------------------
Version: PtokaX DC Hub 0.3.3.2a [debug] built on Jul 31 2005 22:52:05
Uptime: 0 days, 19 hours, 36 minutes
Users (Max/Actual Peak (Max Peak)/Logged) : 3250 / 3199 (3199) / 3192
Chat messages: 1388 x
Unknown commands: 330 x
PM commands: 1137 x
Key commands: 1248343 x
Supports commands: 1215000 x
MyINFO commands: 1208519 x
ValidateNick commands: 1232884 x
GetINFO commands: 26498 x
Password commands: 325 x
Version commands: 1056317 x
UserIP commands: 1210869 x
GetNickList commands: 1050124 x
Search commands: 394030 x
SR commands: 7668975 x
CTM commands: 3252331 x
RevCTM commands: 2252580 x
BotINFO commands: 6 x
------------------------------------------------------------
CPU usage (60 sec avg): 44.90%
CPU time: 6:33:28
Mem usage (Old style): 4689 kB
Mem usage (Peak): 89.29 MB (96.63 MB)
VM size (Peak): 90.96 MB (98.38 MB)
------------------------------------------------------------
SendRests (Peak): 94 (117)
RecvRests (Peak): 0 (13)
Data sent: 53.58 GB
Data received: 1.73 GB
Tx (60 sec avg): 905.23 kB/s (1.32 MB/s)
Rx (60 sec avg): 52.72 kB/s (27.34 kB/s)

[plop]

any scripts running on that server ?

plop

[PPK]

Originally posted by plop
any scripts running on that server ?

Yes 4 custom scripts (nothing like robocop)...