Linux

[RDB]

Will ptokax work on Free BSD if it works on mandrake. If so that would be excellent!!! But i doubt it is possible. Also confused as to why it will work on mandrake (my linux knowledge is not that good  :( )

[NotRabidWombat]

Heh. What does PtokaX use an interface? A gui. What did we learn from the first post? FreeBSD don't need no stinkin' gui!

You could just use the opendc port.

"And BSD...................cr** ;)"

HAH! Redhat, Mandrake, SuSe. All of those OSes are for Windows users who can't pick up a Unix manual.

-NotRabidWombat

[RDB]

However, you can jus setup all the scripts as they should be and run it as is without having to using the GUI for it. Therefore, i would have hoped it to be possible.

[[NL]Pur]

i don't think the Gui is required to run ptokax, since all settings are stored in a config file.

[NotRabidWombat]

It's a Windows application, probably using MFC. I doubt it will ever work on a FreeBSD box (without some form of emulator software, VMWare)

-NotRabidWombat

[RDB]

Originally posted by [NL]Pur
i don't think the Gui is required to run ptokax, since all settings are stored in a config file.

ya, my thoughts exactly.

Anyone want to modify it for my benefit  :))

Would make me very happy!!!!

[NotRabidWombat]

It's a Windows application, probably using MFC

It's also closed source. Good luck.

-NotRabidWombat

[pHaTTy]

Originally posted by NotRabidWombat
HAH! Redhat, Mandrake, SuSe. All of those OSes are for Windows users who can't pick up a Unix manual.

lol exactly

[[NL]Pur]

just wanted to point out the Gui doens't have anything tode with portability.

Not that i think ptokax is easiliy ported, you rather go from scratch then ^.^


And about Os's that not have a Gui, this is great for servers but for office ppl it whould be hell. How to make a document with jpg pictures (for example) ? :?

So the point rabid is making doesn't go. Redhat, mandrake, suse etc. Is Linux and they try to compete (copy <== they do that to much) with M$ windows.


About VMware, Vmware emulates the bios/computer.

You can run everything with that. Since you just run Windows on Linux.

[NotRabidWombat]

"just wanted to point out the Gui doens't have anything tode with portability."

What? Someone should beat you with the clue stick. Have you ever coded with MFC?

"And about Os's that not have a Gui, this is great for servers but for office ppl it whould be hell. How to make a document with jpg pictures (for example) ? :?"

All you need is vi. Plus there are image to text software packages.

"So the point rabid is making doesn't go."

Huh? You mean "make"? Is really that much harder to compile your software rather than using an installation program?

"Redhat, mandrake, suse etc. Is Linux and they try to compete (copy <== they do that to much) with M$ windows."

That's nice. I can get most of the important software on both OSes. And most of the games are still on Windows (except for the very cool UT).
Why do you use the "M$" when you have to pay for those distrobutions of linux, when linux is FREE.

"About VMware, Vmware emulates the bios/computer.

You can run everything with that. Since you just run Windows on Linux."

Where's that clue stick? I wasn't asking about VMWare, I was suggesting it.

-NotRabidWombat

[[NL]Pur]

if you are real programmer you always seperate Gui from core. If you mix those you got some ugly code.


lol image to text , are you kidding me. Back to the stone age.


your sugestion about vmware is just stupid, i was assuming you never worked with it.

oh and vi editor,

i think working with vi is a punishment. How can a program get less user friendly.


And i think Linux is great, only to bad RedHat is not free anymore. I still don't get it how they broke the gpl. If someone knows, plz enlight me.

[NotRabidWombat]

"if you are real programmer you always seperate Gui from core. If you mix those you got some ugly code."

Sure. I ask again. Have you ever coded with MFC?

"lol image to text , are you kidding me. Back to the stone age."

Nah. There's also quake_tty, Quake2 text, UT text, etc.

"your sugestion about vmware is just stupid, i was assuming you never worked with it."

Right. That's what most people will use to get Windows application to work on a linux box. It's either that or Wine (or one of it's flavors).

"oh and vi editor,

i think working with vi is a punishment. How can a program get less user friendly."

I guess reading a manual for 20 minutes is too much for you. vi >> Microsoft Word

"And i think Linux is great, only to bad RedHat is not free anymore. I still don't get it how they broke the gpl. If someone knows, plz enlight me."

Free does not mean price. Just give the GPL a quick read.
http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
https://www.redhat.com/licenses/gpl.html

As long as Redhat releases the source code with what it sells, they are still obeying the GPL. There are some other restrictions, but that is the basic idea.

*EDIT* - You could use one of the many free versions of linux. Fedora for instance (http://fedora.redhat.com/) is sponsered by RedHat. I think Gentoo has something similar to the BSD ports package.

-NotRabidWombat

[pHaTTy]

u can download it from dc too, legally


'I guess reading a manual for 20 minutes is too much for you. vi >> Microsoft Word'

hmm since when did ms word work without the gui?

[[NL]Pur]

both say at the beginning: Free does not mean price.

but that other gpl  also saying:

BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS LICENSED FREE OF CHARGE, THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM

tho i find it very hard to follow the rest of the point 11.


another question. If someone i know has bought redhat ES or WS , is copying legal and distrubuting it on the internet.


i find it very weird, for example, i 'm obeying the gpl if i took source from sourceforge and distrubeted the program but not the source. If you want the source you must pay me a miljon dollar.

[plop]

Originally posted by [NL]Pur And about Os's that not have a Gui, this is great for servers but for office ppl it whould be hell. How to make a document with jpg pictures (for example) ? :?

look right in front of you right now.
your looking @ html.
now take a look @ my website (the top left and right corner).
should prove enough that you don't need a gui 2 make documents with pics.

@phatty: maby better 2 compair VI with wordperfect.

@wombat: don't forget the ascii codec for Mplayer. lol

plop

[pHaTTy]

Originally posted by [NL]Pur
both say at the beginning: Free does not mean price.

but that other gpl  also saying:

BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS LICENSED FREE OF CHARGE, THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM

tho i find it very hard to follow the rest of the point 11.


another question. If someone i know has bought redhat ES or WS , is copying legal and distrubuting it on the internet.


i find it very weird, for example, i 'm obeying the gpl if i took source from sourceforge and distrubeted the program but not the source. If you want the source you must pay me a miljon dollar.

no what he means is

if u sell linux, u are selling the disks, ie long life silver disks, with cover n manuals etc etc, so u cud charge whatever u want, but, the source code must be with the program, u can then go copy it and distibute it on dc, or somewhere else.....gpl allows this.....then if someone wants to pay 20? for it they can, if they dont then they go download it or find it cheaper, they are not breaking the law by doing so ;-)

if for example u distribute linux for 20? and the source seperatly for 1,000,000? lol then u are breaking the law, u are breaking the gpl


-me

[[NL]Pur]

should prove enough that you don't need a gui 2 make documents with pics.

i don't have a gui, so how can i view pics on my comp.

[plop]

Originally posted by [NL]Pur

should prove enough that you don't need a gui 2 make documents with pics.

i don't have a gui, so how can i view pics on my comp.

you asked how 2 make it. lol
you can edit html in every editor but you can only view it in some kind of browser/viewer.
but with the correct plugin's for VI it's posible 2 view the pics as text/ascii.
here is an example of sutch a thing.
ow don't use IE as the page uses CSS, this isn't fully supported by IE.

plop

[[NL]Pur]

why are you guys so defensive about Vi,

The editor just sucks

and it's stupid excuse , you can convert jpg to ascii now you can view it.  That's the same saying Vi doesn't support jpg.

[NotRabidWombat]

Pur,

"The editor just sucks"

I think you believe the editor sucks because you do not know how to properly use it. It offers so much functionality that was never even considered for notepad (or Word). Some of the more fancier editors (EmEditer and UltraEdit) have caught on to some of the concepts vi has had for years before Windows was even concieved.
There are obviously realistic ways to view images in console enviroment, I just don't ever need them ;-) Except for the BSD screen saver, cause Chuck (or the BSD Daemon) ROCKS!

phatty & Pur,

You are purchasing the support AND the Red Hat trademark. I am pretty certain redistrubiting a Red Hat cd with the Red Hat trademark still on it is a violation of the licence agreement (unless specified by Red Hat). But, you could make your own version of a Red Hat cd, without the trademark, and redistribute it freely.

"I guess reading a manual for 20 minutes is too much for you. vi >> Microsoft Word'

hmm since when did ms word work without the gui?"

I never said it did. I was just saying vi is better than Word ;-)

"@wombat: don't forget the ascii codec for Mplayer. lol"

Hehehe!

-NotRabidWombat

[plop]

Originally posted by NotRabidWombat
Pur,

"The editor just sucks"

I think you believe the editor sucks because you do not know how to properly use it. It offers so much functionality that was never even considered for notepad (or Word). Some of the more fancier editors (EmEditer and UltraEdit) have caught on to some of the concepts vi has had for years before Windows was even concieved.
There are obviously realistic ways to view images in console enviroment, I just don't ever need them ;-) Except for the BSD screen saver, cause Chuck (or the BSD Daemon) ROCKS!

i need 2 read the book again, if you don't know the commands or how 2 use it your in a hell.
but if you know how 2 use it, it is the most powerfull editor for any kind of text files.

Originally posted by NotRabidWombat
phatty & Pur,

You are purchasing the support AND the Red Hat trademark. I am pretty certain redistrubiting a Red Hat cd with the Red Hat trademark still on it is a violation of the licence agreement (unless specified by Red Hat). But, you could make your own version of a Red Hat cd, without the trademark, and redistribute it freely.

it's some parts and the commercial apps on the cd's you pay for.
on suse that is/was yast, must be something like that on RH.
if you strip those parts you can distribute it freely.

Originally posted by NotRabidWombat
"@wombat: don't forget the ascii codec for Mplayer. lol"

Hehehe!

-NotRabidWombat

couldn't resist. lol

plop

[[NL]Pur]

I think you believe the editor sucks because you do not know how to properly use it. It

well i tried to tell u that alot of responses back, it's not user-friendly.  If Vi just used High tech stuff like a MenuBar with mouse support instead of using for everything hotkeys. I may use it someday.

[plop]

Originally posted by [NL]Pur

I think you believe the editor sucks because you do not know how to properly use it. It

well i tried to tell u that alot of responses back, it's not user-friendly.  If Vi just used High tech stuff like a MenuBar with mouse support instead of using for everything hotkeys. I may use it someday.

those hotkey's make it fast 2 use.
before you got your hands on your mouse an experienced VI user is already done.

plop

[Herodes]

Originally posted by plop
those hotkey's make it fast 2 use.
before you got your hands on your mouse an experienced VI user is already done.

plop

I found this little nice intro to the VI ...
It is a shame I can't try it out ...
I was hoping to spend an afternoon or two until I get familiar .... but I couldn't find it for Wins I guess there isn't .. (Word)
Indeed those HotKeys seem nice .. ;D

[NotRabidWombat]

If you'd like to try the Unix console eviroment in Windows, try out cygwin. http://www.cygwin.com/

-NotRabidWombat