Ok away to install linux in 5 mins, when i get back, if anyone decides they are gonna use linux, and dunno how to use it gimme a shout, and ill help ya as much as i can ;)
-War3zMantis
btw, if you do, make sure you get at least mandrakes 9.1 or above, then you can still use ptokax ;)
I wished I could install linux...But...To afraid that EVERY single thing I?m using now not gonna work...Dont wanna take that chance :(
If ur only could be here to help me phatty *sigh* :]
lol, well its pretty simple why not make a seperate partition and use that til you get used to it ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by (uk-kingdom)pH?tt?
lol, well its pretty simple why not make a seperate partition and use that til you get used to it ;)
Duuh.... :P
Dont have the time either 8)
*Making all the excuses there is* :rolleyes:
I dont have the guts...OKEY??? LOL
phatty my prob with linux(mandrake 9.1) is on instalation and with the drivers(modem drivers)! i've tried at least 5 times and the other "problem" is to use mandrake! i dunno how to use it! :)))
<----- n00b here
heheheh, okey lol
if you have trouble installing it and have only 1 computer 2 try it on, you can use vmware.
then you can start linux from windows in a window, that way if you got a quiestion you can still use i.e. 2 contact phatty. lol
or another nice idea is 2 get pnoppix, thats 1 cd containing a full working linux with loads of apps 2 try out and get a feeling of how linux works.
just boot from it and play, just as easy as starting a game on a ps2.
all your windows fat32/ntfs partitions are mounted by default.
plop
I honestly dont recommend using a virtual hdd, such as in a virtual computer like vmware
if you wud tempoarily like to keep windows, just use a late release of linux and start installing over windows and linux will keep your windows partition intatc and make ur linux and even install a boot selector to boot windows or linux ;)
I think installing and running vmware is a better solution for begginers than making your pc Dual-boot...
For the modem problem, search for the HOWTO's so you can find out how to configure your system correctly...
atcually i still do not recommend i have done this b4 and i had many problems, more then i wud have with dual boot, also using mware does not use all the correct hardware, ie it doesnt use all ur real harware, it slows your processor pretty much, and its very fussy, i highly recommecf duel boot for beginners, i found it so mcuh easier.
It uses the real hardware... how would it work then? :-)
Thing is that it's a type of emulation. It runs on top of Windows and that is the reason it is slower. But it's great for starting point. Anyways. Try it out and tell us...
I already have it m8 ;)
its ok for testing, but its not good for linux, it uses real hardware...........hmmmmmmmmm........are you sure you have used it???
the graphics card is emulated as a ATi Rage and the soundcard is just a simpel emulated soundblaster, go check it out ;)
btw : Linux does not like emulated hardware, thats my review....;)
well, i want to use Linux but until theres a version that works on my pc i cant :( ....
have tryed : mandrake 9.0 + 9.1 , suse 8.2 pro , and lots more... all of them stops/dies in the first part off install ... only one that worked were Knoppix 3.2 and that one i just cant get online on the net ...
so all help is taken under consideration !
***Typhoon?
Why not Unix?
QuoteOriginally posted by kepp
Why not Unix?
Linux is a freeware version of Unix, altho now linux is more advanced then Unix,
Unix is not as good, well at least i dont think
QuoteOriginally posted by Typhoon?
well, i want to use Linux but until theres a version that works on my pc i cant :( ....
have tryed : mandrake 9.0 + 9.1 , suse 8.2 pro , and lots more... all of them stops/dies in the first part off install ... only one that worked were Knoppix 3.2 and that one i just cant get online on the net ...
so all help is taken under consideration !
***Typhoon?
Can you list all ur hardware....... ;)
i can give i at try :)
Runinng on :
AMD xp2700+ ,1gb ddr pc2700,ECS L7VTA KT400 onboard LAN chipset, MSI GF4 TI 4800SE 128ddr agp 8x,
creative SB 4.1 digital,3 maxtor hardrives on 30gb(os) 120+80GB stuff.. 1cdrw,1dvdrom
Sytem is running 333mhz FSB....
hope this helps otherwise just ask..
right now i am downing Mandrake 9.2 so lets hope .
***Typhoon?
FreeBSD is Unix and is freeware... :-)
So are other falvours of BSD. They are just as good as linux, maybe even better, all depends on purpose.
I don't see RedHat on your list. It's the one that gives the least intallation problems in my experience atleast. Why does the installation halt? What error message do you get? It usually stops to ask for the next cd. Do you get a problem to resume from there maybe.. or?
hey again.. right on that one, have'nt tryed Red Hat maybe i should.. and i dont get any error messages the system just halts with black screen?? tryed several times with mandrake 9.0 and suse 8.2 pro, and other Distros.... gonna try mandrake 9.2 when i have it burnt
QuoteOriginally posted by Typhoon?
i can give i at try :)
Runinng on :
AMD xp2700+ ,1gb ddr pc2700,ECS L7VTA KT400 onboard LAN chipset, MSI GF4 TI 4800SE 128ddr agp 8x,
creative SB 4.1 digital,3 maxtor hardrives on 30gb(os) 120+80GB stuff.. 1cdrw,1dvdrom
Sytem is running 333mhz FSB....
hope this helps otherwise just ask..
right now i am downing Mandrake 9.2 so lets hope .
***Typhoon?
Ok this is perfectly all fine with Mandrakes, there must be either a hardware conflict of mebbe the hmmmmmmmmm, cud be a few things...............
QuoteOriginally posted by klownietklowniet
FreeBSD is Unix and is freeware... :-)
So are other falvours of BSD. They are just as good as linux, maybe even better, all depends on purpose.
I don't see RedHat on your list. It's the one that gives the least intallation problems in my experience atleast. Why does the installation halt? What error message do you get? It usually stops to ask for the next cd. Do you get a problem to resume from there maybe.. or?
Ur perfectly right there m8, it is much easier to learn it too, but personally i dont like RedHat, and it does not do as much as Mandrakes, fortuanatle Mandrakes is becoming the easier one to use
And BSD...................cr** ;)
i suppose it depends on how long u have used them, but my all time fav is SuSE Linux, but harder to use, which is y i sugest Mandrakes ;)
l8rr,,
-phatty
back again!
if i start the install of mandrake inside WinXP does installs over and delete XP or will it just install as a secondary OS???
or do i have to make a sepperat partition again ?
***Typhoon?
Well, Xp is a tw@, so what will happen is it wil install and make a boot selector, XP will still be on the hdd, and it will automaically partition ur hdd, also at end of first disk install, it will tell you that it has stored ur old boot sector, write the command down just in case sumit goes wrong and you restore ur old boot
QuoteOriginally posted by (uk-kingdom)pH?tt?
And BSD...................cr** ;)
-phatty
bsd is a lot harder then any linux version, specialy openbsd, but it's way more secure/stable.
look here (http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html).
best is indeed 2 start with linux.
1st i tryed was netbsd on an amiga and took me a couple day's before i could even start the install (real tricky way, copy the install files 2 an unformated disk and start the install from there).
don't try this @ home. lol
plop
Will ptokax work on Free BSD if it works on mandrake. If so that would be excellent!!! But i doubt it is possible. Also confused as to why it will work on mandrake (my linux knowledge is not that good :( )
Heh. What does PtokaX use an interface? A gui. What did we learn from the first post? FreeBSD don't need no stinkin' gui!
You could just use the opendc port.
"And BSD...................cr** ;)"
HAH! Redhat, Mandrake, SuSe. All of those OSes are for Windows users who can't pick up a Unix manual.
-NotRabidWombat
However, you can jus setup all the scripts as they should be and run it as is without having to using the GUI for it. Therefore, i would have hoped it to be possible.
i don't think the Gui is required to run ptokax, since all settings are stored in a config file.
It's a Windows application, probably using MFC. I doubt it will ever work on a FreeBSD box (without some form of emulator software, VMWare)
-NotRabidWombat
QuoteOriginally posted by [NL]Pur
i don't think the Gui is required to run ptokax, since all settings are stored in a config file.
ya, my thoughts exactly.
Anyone want to modify it for my benefit :))
Would make me very happy!!!!
It's a Windows application, probably using MFC
It's also closed source. Good luck.
-NotRabidWombat
QuoteOriginally posted by NotRabidWombat
HAH! Redhat, Mandrake, SuSe. All of those OSes are for Windows users who can't pick up a Unix manual.
lol exactly :D
just wanted to point out the Gui doens't have anything tode with portability.
Not that i think ptokax is easiliy ported, you rather go from scratch then ^.^
And about Os's that not have a Gui, this is great for servers but for office ppl it whould be hell. How to make a document with jpg pictures (for example) ? :?
So the point rabid is making doesn't go. Redhat, mandrake, suse etc. Is Linux and they try to compete (copy <== they do that to much) with M$ windows.
About VMware, Vmware emulates the bios/computer.
You can run everything with that. Since you just run Windows on Linux.
"just wanted to point out the Gui doens't have anything tode with portability."
What? Someone should beat you with the clue stick. Have you ever coded with MFC?
"And about Os's that not have a Gui, this is great for servers but for office ppl it whould be hell. How to make a document with jpg pictures (for example) ? :?"
All you need is vi. Plus there are image to text software packages.
"So the point rabid is making doesn't go."
Huh? You mean "make"? Is really that much harder to compile your software rather than using an installation program?
"Redhat, mandrake, suse etc. Is Linux and they try to compete (copy <== they do that to much) with M$ windows."
That's nice. I can get most of the important software on both OSes. And most of the games are still on Windows (except for the very cool UT).
Why do you use the "M$" when you have to pay for those distrobutions of linux, when linux is FREE.
"About VMware, Vmware emulates the bios/computer.
You can run everything with that. Since you just run Windows on Linux."
Where's that clue stick? I wasn't asking about VMWare, I was suggesting it.
-NotRabidWombat
if you are real programmer you always seperate Gui from core. If you mix those you got some ugly code.
lol image to text , are you kidding me. Back to the stone age.
your sugestion about vmware is just stupid, i was assuming you never worked with it.
oh and vi editor,
i think working with vi is a punishment. How can a program get less user friendly.
And i think Linux is great, only to bad RedHat is not free anymore. I still don't get it how they broke the gpl. If someone knows, plz enlight me.
"if you are real programmer you always seperate Gui from core. If you mix those you got some ugly code."
Sure. I ask again. Have you ever coded with MFC?
"lol image to text , are you kidding me. Back to the stone age."
Nah. There's also quake_tty, Quake2 text, UT text, etc.
"your sugestion about vmware is just stupid, i was assuming you never worked with it."
Right. That's what most people will use to get Windows application to work on a linux box. It's either that or Wine (or one of it's flavors).
"oh and vi editor,
i think working with vi is a punishment. How can a program get less user friendly."
I guess reading a manual for 20 minutes is too much for you. vi >> Microsoft Word
"And i think Linux is great, only to bad RedHat is not free anymore. I still don't get it how they broke the gpl. If someone knows, plz enlight me."
Free does not mean price. Just give the GPL a quick read.
http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
https://www.redhat.com/licenses/gpl.html
As long as Redhat releases the source code with what it sells, they are still obeying the GPL. There are some other restrictions, but that is the basic idea.
*EDIT* - You could use one of the many free versions of linux. Fedora for instance (http://fedora.redhat.com/) is sponsered by RedHat. I think Gentoo has something similar to the BSD ports package.
-NotRabidWombat
u can download it from dc too, legally
'I guess reading a manual for 20 minutes is too much for you. vi >> Microsoft Word'
hmm since when did ms word work without the gui?
both say at the beginning: Free does not mean price.
but that other gpl also saying:
QuoteBECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS LICENSED FREE OF CHARGE, THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM
tho i find it very hard to follow the rest of the point 11.
another question. If someone i know has bought redhat ES or WS , is copying legal and distrubuting it on the internet.
i find it very weird, for example, i 'm obeying the gpl if i took source from sourceforge and distrubeted the program but not the source. If you want the source you must pay me a miljon dollar.
QuoteOriginally posted by [NL]Pur And about Os's that not have a Gui, this is great for servers but for office ppl it whould be hell. How to make a document with jpg pictures (for example) ? :?
look right in front of you right now.
your looking @ html.
now take a look @ my website (the top left and right corner).
should prove enough that you don't need a gui 2 make documents with pics.
@phatty: maby better 2 compair VI with wordperfect.
@wombat: don't forget the ascii codec for Mplayer. lol
plop
QuoteOriginally posted by [NL]Pur
both say at the beginning: Free does not mean price.
but that other gpl also saying:
QuoteBECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS LICENSED FREE OF CHARGE, THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM
tho i find it very hard to follow the rest of the point 11.
another question. If someone i know has bought redhat ES or WS , is copying legal and distrubuting it on the internet.
i find it very weird, for example, i 'm obeying the gpl if i took source from sourceforge and distrubeted the program but not the source. If you want the source you must pay me a miljon dollar.
no what he means is
if u sell linux, u are selling the disks, ie long life silver disks, with cover n manuals etc etc, so u cud charge whatever u want, but, the source code must be with the program, u can then go copy it and distibute it on dc, or somewhere else.....gpl allows this.....then if someone wants to pay 20? for it they can, if they dont then they go download it or find it cheaper, they are not breaking the law by doing so ;-)
if for example u distribute linux for 20? and the source seperatly for 1,000,000? lol then u are breaking the law, u are breaking the gpl
-me
Quoteshould prove enough that you don't need a gui 2 make documents with pics.
i don't have a gui, so how can i view pics on my comp.
QuoteOriginally posted by [NL]Pur
Quoteshould prove enough that you don't need a gui 2 make documents with pics.
i don't have a gui, so how can i view pics on my comp.
you asked how 2 make it. lol
you can edit html in every editor but you can only view it in some kind of browser/viewer.
but with the correct plugin's for VI it's posible 2 view the pics as text/ascii.
here is an example of sutch a thing (http://www.thegoldenangel.org/angel2.html).
ow don't use IE as the page uses CSS, this isn't fully supported by IE.
plop
why are you guys so defensive about Vi,
The editor just sucks
and it's stupid excuse , you can convert jpg to ascii now you can view it. That's the same saying Vi doesn't support jpg.
Pur,
"The editor just sucks"
I think you believe the editor sucks because you do not know how to properly use it. It offers so much functionality that was never even considered for notepad (or Word). Some of the more fancier editors (EmEditer and UltraEdit) have caught on to some of the concepts vi has had for years before Windows was even concieved.
There are obviously realistic ways to view images in console enviroment, I just don't ever need them ;-) Except for the BSD screen saver, cause Chuck (or the BSD Daemon) ROCKS!
phatty & Pur,
You are purchasing the support AND the Red Hat trademark. I am pretty certain redistrubiting a Red Hat cd with the Red Hat trademark still on it is a violation of the licence agreement (unless specified by Red Hat). But, you could make your own version of a Red Hat cd, without the trademark, and redistribute it freely.
"I guess reading a manual for 20 minutes is too much for you. vi >> Microsoft Word'
hmm since when did ms word work without the gui?"
I never said it did. I was just saying vi is better than Word ;-)
"@wombat: don't forget the ascii codec for Mplayer. lol"
Hehehe!
-NotRabidWombat
QuoteOriginally posted by NotRabidWombat
Pur,
"The editor just sucks"
I think you believe the editor sucks because you do not know how to properly use it. It offers so much functionality that was never even considered for notepad (or Word). Some of the more fancier editors (EmEditer and UltraEdit) have caught on to some of the concepts vi has had for years before Windows was even concieved.
There are obviously realistic ways to view images in console enviroment, I just don't ever need them ;-) Except for the BSD screen saver, cause Chuck (or the BSD Daemon) ROCKS!
i need 2 read the book again, if you don't know the commands or how 2 use it your in a hell.
but if you know how 2 use it, it is the most powerfull editor for any kind of text files.
QuoteOriginally posted by NotRabidWombat
phatty & Pur,
You are purchasing the support AND the Red Hat trademark. I am pretty certain redistrubiting a Red Hat cd with the Red Hat trademark still on it is a violation of the licence agreement (unless specified by Red Hat). But, you could make your own version of a Red Hat cd, without the trademark, and redistribute it freely.
it's some parts and the commercial apps on the cd's you pay for.
on suse that is/was yast, must be something like that on RH.
if you strip those parts you can distribute it freely.
QuoteOriginally posted by NotRabidWombat
"@wombat: don't forget the ascii codec for Mplayer. lol"
Hehehe!
-NotRabidWombat
couldn't resist. lol
plop
QuoteI think you believe the editor sucks because you do not know how to properly use it. It
well i tried to tell u that alot of responses back, it's not user-friendly. If Vi just used High tech stuff like a MenuBar with mouse support instead of using for everything hotkeys. I may use it someday.
QuoteOriginally posted by [NL]Pur
QuoteI think you believe the editor sucks because you do not know how to properly use it. It
well i tried to tell u that alot of responses back, it's not user-friendly. If Vi just used High tech stuff like a MenuBar with mouse support instead of using for everything hotkeys. I may use it someday.
those hotkey's make it fast 2 use.
before you got your hands on your mouse an experienced VI user is already done.
plop
QuoteOriginally posted by plop
those hotkey's make it fast 2 use.
before you got your hands on your mouse an experienced VI user is already done.
plop
I found this little nice intro to the VI ... (http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html)
It is a shame I can't try it out ...
I was hoping to spend an afternoon or two until I get familiar .... but I couldn't find it for Wins I guess there isn't .. (Word)
Indeed those HotKeys seem nice .. ;D
If you'd like to try the Unix console eviroment in Windows, try out cygwin. http://www.cygwin.com/
-NotRabidWombat