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« Reply #50 on: 22 January, 2004, 11:09:04 »
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i also wanted to replie to the one user that posted about haveing only big hubs test it. well i would hate to see that kind of descimanation but i guess you will do what your gona do no mater what anyone says.

kbeh273300@hotmail.com

i also disagree with only large hubs, i used to run hub with about 500+, and i got sick, so i limited to about 100 now, and im happy :), but i still like to try and find new bugs, and every little bit of help is better, the smaller hubs will find bugs that big hubs wont find, and big hubs will find what small hubs cant ;)

just my opinion ;)

PhaTz,,
that makes me think of i found out how and what went wrong with the MyInfoString.
that would either be imposible 2 found out if i had 800+ users or a real pain in the ass. lol
the chat would have been spammed with debug lines. lol
somethings are imposible 2 find out on small hub's like memory handling but other things can't be found out by big hub's.

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« Reply #50 on: 22 January, 2004, 11:09:04 »

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« Reply #51 on: 22 January, 2004, 18:45:09 »
Ah, I have been doing exams so rather late reply :(

This really sucks =_= I waited for an answer for a few weeks because you were obviously bussy while we could  find the betas floating around the Internet. Because we respected you and you work.
I shit on you leaking bastards =_=
 
Please don't be demotivated by all this crap, we eagerly anticipate our favorite hubsoftwares development ^^
The vast majority respects your work and all the effort you put into it, please don't think we are all like that...

And I know for certain there are enough people around who wouldn't mind "talking" to any people leaking Betas ;)
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publib beta list instead of secrecy
« Reply #52 on: 22 January, 2004, 19:06:44 »
Wouldnt it be far more easier to make the list of beta-testers public, and let every hub using 0.3.3.0 have something like: "official beta-tester #031" in the motd.

Then it's easy to see who's using the hub who isnt an official beta tester.

This making a watermark stuff, it sounds cool but I think its a bit over the top and a lot of unnessecairy work.

If you let people "talk" to the not nice people who are using the hub "illegal" then you can see how many people relly like and support ptokax. --> look at the positive side of the people.


I waited for beta-tester-status with Testdrive4  running  a (1000+ user) hub that could barely be up for 24h. Now I got official beta tester status and the hub runs so smooth I dont even dare to dream what the official release will be like.

For that I have bled, but
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« Reply #53 on: 25 January, 2004, 13:59:52 »
.. well i have been with ptokax for a very long time, and supported it into the extreme. Yes i had 2400+ hours of upptimes, but with an old version. As the newer versions came, so came the bugs with it, and most of all the prestige war. Who is best, who is better. In the end ptokax became a relativelly closed group. Only a few handfull people ("beta-testers"+asskissers)  having the "priviledge" to test newer, more stable version. We the rest we got stuck with version released for ages ago. Some nice persons/scripters/developers got probablly tired of this internal fights or prestige war or whatever, and finding one or another excuse dissapeared. Then suddenly the Yhub surfaces, and recently i read on there are more hubs and users/hub on Yhub, then on Ptokax. And nobody reacts?  You all just kiss upp and state that Ptokax is so much better so much more stable.... why the hell you think Yhub won so many over? ANY of you even bothered looking at it from a HUBOWNERs point of view? Nah... you just pat eachother on the back, living in the old days glory while other software (even if inferior) takes away the procentage. Ptaczek, you know me, and you know i respect you, but: GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSES and start fixing Ptokax. Fuck all those lameass protections here, protections there...why you think people leech out betas? Couse the hub owners crave development, bugfixes, and why people download faulty unmarked betas, couse they are hungry, hungry for new version, fighting desperatly to get their hand over a stable Ptokaz, so they won't be forced to change to Yhub.

Stop this nonsens portal and watermark and all those bullshit. Give us bugfixes, optimizations, UPDATES, give us SOMETHING, not just lame excuses.

I've been silent for a long time, and now i poured my heart out. If you want to delete me go ahead and do it, at least i got the chance to say what probally many others feel, but aren't around here anymore to write it.

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« Reply #54 on: 25 January, 2004, 14:23:11 »
isn't this the simular thought of before TD3 and TD4 came along.

 :O

the stability has improved but beta's are still beta's.
release stuff like TD3 and TD4 that where technically
testdrives / beta's released too the public. Many ppl forgot that i think.

icecube is still the most stable public version. Releasing
versions that aren't tested enough causes ppl too be angry. I still think ptaczek is doing the best holding it a bit longer beta.

I share btw you opinion about the watermark stuff is sad that it come that far and maby too much, overkill.

i whould rarther see ptaczek giving his time too bugfixing.

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« Reply #55 on: 25 January, 2004, 15:01:45 »
That put a jolt in the system. Just what we needed to really think about what we can do and the ideas.

My question to the testers and ptaczek himself. Is the latest better version stable enough and the bugs which are still ramianing are they really bad or just minor. because if that is a no or not really, then suggesting just to release as a testdrive 5 then but still continue to do what u do best even with the testers.

If it is ok and stable enough then why not let us have the latest beta version for now as the next test drive.

At least this way we know we have still got something to hold on to still. I am sure we will all know if it was released we know cause it's another testdrive...  ;)
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« Reply #56 on: 28 January, 2004, 13:42:11 »
Make a paypal account like arnetheduck and Opera, i have donated them some "6 pack" money and will also do it for Ptokax and for the ones making great scripts i would use, like RoboCop etc if they had a paypal account.

And for the ones of us not making script or hubsoftware, let's show these guys we really respect the work they do and send them some inspiration donating them some 6 pack cash now and then  ;)  they wont get rich by using a paypal account, but it might inspire them a bit since they do use their spare time for this developments.

Yes it's controversial but hell, i even would pay for a finished ptokax  (even more controversial) hahahaha



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« Reply #57 on: 28 January, 2004, 15:30:50 »
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Originally posted by [ANCIENT]Klismo
ANY of you even bothered looking at it from a HUBOWNERs point of view?

Yea and nothing wrong with y-hub.
However..

I was browsing the Y-Hub forum the other day and saw a whole lotta people asking "Where can i get a script for Y-Hub?".

And such questions..
With Y-Hub they are stuck to its inbuilt commands, While with PtokaX, You can customize your hub for your needs.

That's what people want...
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« Reply #58 on: 30 January, 2004, 04:47:10 »
Just to add my thaughts........


Why not release betas to the public for testing ?

take a look  at the  robocop thread an see the ammount of help  and respect Optimus get for his work.

ive  been  in and out of this thread for days now  and still no wiser as to wether the ptokax project is dead or not...


Ptokax is not the only dc hub  program out and anyone following sdch will know that the current releases of Ptokax  come  NO WHERE NEAR in comparison.

i would hate to see this great  hub software  loose out  to YET  another hub soft  as it did to y_hub.


i think it  about time   we knew what was happening it is  TOTALLY UNFAIR on   ppl  like Optimus that are working on scripts for future release of ptokax.
are these ppl   Wasting their time or not.???????

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« Reply #59 on: 30 January, 2004, 05:58:10 »
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Ptokax is not the only dc hub  program out and anyone following sdch will know that the current releases of Ptokax  come  NO WHERE NEAR in comparison.

i would hate to see this great  hub software  loose out  to YET  another hub soft  as it did to y_hub.
visual basic scripting???
sorry but i can't see the danger in a hub using that (walking from here 2 rome) compaired 2 a hub using lua (flying the blackbird).
the sql part is cool doh.
ptax sql plsssssssssssssssssssss. lol
but gotta reboot before i can try sdch for real, and that whill only happen in a couple day's.
the real danger comes from verlihub, that has been ported 2 windows and he is wondering what kind of scripting 2 add 2 it.
and don't forget that dch++ and dc++ are being developed in the same way as ptokax, also a small group of ppl running the beta's.

finaly no, ppl like optimus aren't wasting there time, and no it isn't unfair optimus knows it and excepts it.
ptax is working on some big updates which you as user can't even see, optimizing takes more time then just adding something.
beside that he wants 2 add a whole new database.
and no the beta's aren't better yet then testdrive, yes they use less memory but there are some bugs which aren't fun for users.
now if you would get disconnected from entering a hub wouldn't you like 2 know why ??, just 2 name 1 of the bugs.
ppl also forgot that testdrive is a beta, the same whill happen on 0.3.3.0 if he does that.
but in all it's up to ptax 2 decide what he's gone do, nomather what that is i respect that as it's his work.

i'm gone shut my mouth now, i need sleep.

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« Reply #60 on: 06 January, 2005, 04:05:44 »
i saw here some realy weird if not childish point of views

so.. i'll express my opinion
i run a intranet hub... ok. 100-150 users. ok that is low but whatever.
i script myself all the things i need on the hub.
so what do i do? i look for updates.. (yes i'm a update freak, i always keep up-to-date)
so here starts my insane hunt for newer ptokax. and i get to this stupid nonsenses like "we wont release any beatas because they have bugs and this annoys the users" .. what's the point then ?
you are losing your hub software users (AND YES I WOULD TURN TO ANY SOFTWARE THAT HAS LUA SCRIPTING AND RUNS ON WINDOWS AND I WOULD EVEN WRITE MY OWN HUB SOFTWARE JUST TO GET THE SHIT I NEED ON THE HUB - that shit would be speed and features)
so for who are you actualy developing this hub ? some god damn beta testers ? at least for me that isn't fair

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« Reply #61 on: 06 January, 2005, 05:35:20 »
Well we can all whine but ultimately we are going 'round in circles. I'd like to hear an update from the man himself, but of course that always goes unanswered to. Best to have some patience, what I have already is very good.

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[04:31:17] Uptime: 19 days, 8 hours, 39 minutes
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« Reply #62 on: 07 January, 2005, 12:52:23 »
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[04:31:17] Uptime: 19 days, 8 hours, 39 minutes
cheers.

I beat you :D

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Uptime: 21 days, 13 hours, 29 minutes



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« Reply #63 on: 07 January, 2005, 21:47:49 »
Hi, just a quick question to all the testers,Any chance of an update into how things are looking?
Is the testing coming along ok?

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« Reply #64 on: 08 January, 2005, 00:20:21 »
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« Reply #65 on: 09 January, 2005, 19:13:39 »
The test is looking good if you check the preformance.. BUT there is some bugs in the banlisthandling so it needs to be rewritten from scratch if I have understood everything correctly...

i have now tested ynhub and compared it to the latest build of ptokax (all on the same computer) and i would say ptokax beats yhub in preformace but doesn't reach as far as ynhub, but mind you I'm running plops a.i on that hub and it is so much cleaner then my ynhub is...

i had 2700 users in my hub at the most before i started to test ynhub...

so the test is looking real good but there is some things that realy needs to be fixed before a public release... (and ptaczek needs to come along and aprove a release)

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« Reply #66 on: 09 January, 2005, 19:51:47 »
that is great news Skrollster i hoop that the release is comming soon
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« Reply #67 on: 09 January, 2005, 19:54:15 »
Well, good news skroll... :)

When I ran Yhub (yes, no n) it was very-very buggy. I convinced Nidaros to use PtokaX and it beated YHub as it had a lower CPU and RAM usage then YHub (using LawMaker).

What shifts the scale to the side pf px: scripting (and C++). Try measuring the time between a request completion for YHub and for PtokaX.  :D
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« Reply #68 on: 10 January, 2005, 00:18:55 »
a.i. can still be optimized a bit more, i'm not using all ptokax new features yet.
sadly i'm lacking the time 2 do so, got a line of compies 2 fix and a private life 2.
but compairing a hub like ptokax with a hub in a box is something hard.
like compairing a ford you can get in black or black or black....etc.
with a unlimited line of models/manufactorers with tune-up sets, spoilers, lights and bells and loads of other things.

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« Reply #69 on: 10 January, 2005, 00:21:54 »
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Originally posted by bastya_elvtars What shifts the scale to the side pf px: scripting (and C++). Try measuring the time between a request completion for YHub and for PtokaX.  :D
on a.i. the results are boring.
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« Reply #70 on: 20 January, 2005, 17:40:45 »
I understand your frustration ptaczek. But, PLEASE Don't kill a great piece of software because of some ignorant, inconsiderate fool.

Remember there are a lot of us out here that respect your work and rely on its continued improvements. and look forward to the next incarnation of the Hubsoft.

Keep up the good work friend and don't get to discouraged, there are more out here that appreciate what you are trying to do than you might imagine.

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« Reply #71 on: 21 February, 2005, 08:56:19 »
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« Reply #72 on: 21 February, 2005, 23:25:20 »
SOUNDS FAMILIAR @ POST #1

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« Reply #73 on: 25 February, 2005, 18:17:40 »
Im closing this thread ;)
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« Reply #73 on: 25 February, 2005, 18:17:40 »